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Thread: Top Gear "Hatch Off" Review - WRX vs MPS vs XR5 vs Megane Cup

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    Sometimes when I read their reviews I wonder if they've actually driven the cars they're writing about...

    5 Speed XR5?
    3 MPS with no LSD?

    Thanks for posting it Wardski

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaMPS View Post
    Launch yes..... But once it's moving, it's flat to the floor....



    Next time your in ACT, drop me a line.... We'll see if we can convert you...



    For the record.... The XR5 has 6 gears.... not 5.... Probably why he thought it was slow.... he was in a Zetec....
    "The car is soft"..... but Clarkson spent half the segment on UK TG cocking the rear wheel off the ground..... When I jack up the front wheel, the rear comes off the ground too..... If that aint stiff enough I don't know what is..
    xr5 for mod winner........less mods more power, simple.


    ......and you dont need to wear thick gold chains and be a relative of vanilla gorilla to drive one.

    Sti, diff story.....but different car altogether.

    isnt the LSd in the mps3 clutch driven not gears?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvandan View Post

    I doubt Mazda could come up with an AWD system like the Subaru.
    Actually the Haldex style system Mazda used is pretty bloody good, but suffered from some weak components from those that punished theirs, Subaru's is tougher, not sure better

    Quote Originally Posted by kmh001 View Post
    And then they stopped making them. Bastards!

    The new 3MPS styling has completely grown on me. If it was AWD I'd buy one tomorrow. The AWD system already exists and I bet my left nut the Mazda engineers and marketing people wanted to make the new 3MPS AWD but the bean counters vetoed it.

    We should ask the boss to start a petition so we can persuade Mazda to do the right thing and make this the car it should be - before I jump ship to a brand that caters for people who have tasted AWD dynamics and can never go back.
    I'd bet mine too that cost and profitability are what killed it, a shame really because with a few more years of development and a few more high performance models using their AWD system it could have been simply ballistic! Subaru and Mitsubishi have had many years of rallying to refine their AWD systems, shame Mazda could not have followed!

    I've always liked the new 3 MPS styling and would buy one too, but I still love my MPS6 to bits and told the sales guy this when I was looking! I almost bought a Megane R26, couldn't convince myself that the rear end would grow on me though. The XR5 was also on my short list, but the 6 was more practical. Subaru never entered onto my radar simply because there are too many here in WA, not sure about other states, but maybe all the years we had the WRC, convinced half the state to buy them
    R36 - Just like an MPS6 except with a growly V6

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    I like them all ....EXCEPT the new 3MPS and WRX....they both look the same.

    R26 would be my choice...but i do like the LV XR5....just not in fanta can...

    Happy Motoring
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wardski View Post
    Ugly or not, I still dont understand why Mazda cannot build the MPS with AWD, when the WRX is still only $300 more expensive....?? dumb..
    I totally agree ward. if mps was awd it would b the total package!!!
    HKS cat back, CES SRI, DENSO Iridium cold plugs,MZR Shifter Base Bushings... more to come! got the mod bug!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJunglist View Post
    I totally agree ward. if mps was awd it would b the total package!!!
    would love both our cars to have this.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wardski View Post
    Ugly or not, I still dont understand why Mazda cannot build the MPS with AWD, when the WRX is still only $300 more expensive....?? dumb..
    Its quite simple really.
    They could build it AWD but to get the price down to subaru level they would have to build it like a Subaru. ie. not nearly as well as a Mazda 3 and much lower quality.
    They have most likely found that the majority of buyers would prefer a better built higher quality car.
    And lets face it, as good as AWD would be, you very rearly drive a car hard enough to notice.
    How often under normal daily driving do the 6 owners have the AWD light come on?

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    Fair point about the build quality, but I would pay the price if the awd version was available.

    To answer your question about the awd light, it never comes on because the awd light indicates the awd system is defective. The car is in awd mode 100% of the time and if it wasn't it would be very noticeable. I have installed a switch to turn off the rear diff when I'm cruising on the freeway and if I forget to turn it back on I get severe wheel spin and under steer which slows things down a lot.

    Gone to Volvo


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    Definitely pay the price for an awd MPS 3.

    And it would open up alot of arenas in the racing field for them too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bd581 View Post
    Its quite simple really.
    They could build it AWD but to get the price down to subaru level they would have to build it like a Subaru. ie. not nearly as well as a Mazda 3 and much lower quality.
    And your opinion is based on what?

    I've owned 2 Subies in my life time, and a fleet of Mazdas, and I would have to say when it comes to build quality, Subaru owns Mazda. Engine and drivetrain, not to mention Subaru has had a 5 star safety NCAP since 2001. To say Mazda would have to lower the quality to a Subaru to compete in the AWD range is a blatent slap in the face to MPS6 owners. Mazda can do it, they can do it friggin well, and they can do it at the right price. They've elected to pi55 it all away like many other awesome platforms (RX-7 to mention just one). While I think your statement is BS - to lower ones Mazda to Subaru would be a major refinement for Mazda - who after all only got to where they are today because of Fords funding, the sharing of many a Ford platform and an overflowing parts bin....

    I agree that maybe interior quality could be better in the standard WRX - the STI on the other hand is just brilliant, but after owning a Gen 1 MPS, I feel the new MPS is far behind the old MPS (I mean whats with the speckled red door panels and seats - over the whole external colour range? Its like a disco going on in there.... but without the disco ball?.. ) and they've lost a little of the plot with positioning things (like how about concealing the SD Card update panel - yes the one that sits in clear daylight beside the GPS... ugly... ? and you see it when you're driving) - My OCD tendencies are just taking over!!
    Anyways, love is in the eye of the beholder. I love my STi, its AWD, its sophistocated, its raw, its gutsy, and it sounds so horny.... Pity my old 07 MPS wasnt as much - and God rest its soul when that motor does decide to pop..
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    Angry Motor jurno,s are limp wristed faggots !!!!

    Have i missed something , the MPS has LSD YOU FU'''''''''''KWITS .The only thing these lame brains can comfortably hang on to is there own members ,having said that at the vinegar stroke the limp wrist-ed faggots hand slipped off hitting himself in the head causing irreparable brain damage.
    Mps torque steer!!! if i read another journo mouth off about it ill make him eat his crap article . Here's a suggestion Mr TOP GEAR learn to drive an mps if its possible by doing say 10000 klm,s in one and if indeed you can drive and you've actually got balls you will learn why us mps owners love the TORQUE STEER .
    IT wont rip your arms off,but a few of us mps owners just might .
    THE MAZDA 3 MPS IS A BAD ARSE DRIVERS CAR and any owner who has to consult a shrink to erase any memories of driving an mps is just as limp wrist-ed as the cock head that wrote the article.
    Rain ,hail or shine ill take on a wrx anytime ,if you can drive they will not out perform an mps .
    Dean Evans of TARMAC MAGAZINE who is himself a experienced race car peddler has said the torque steer in an mps suits the car and is a feature not a minus .
    Its worth noting in Targa Tasmania the 3MPS Was outright winner of 2wd showroom class and finnished 10th outright ,if they had been entered in 4wd showroom class their time would have won that class as well beating stock wrx/sti,s and evos
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOU LOSE View Post
    Its worth noting in Targa Tasmania the 3MPS Was outright winner of 2wd showroom class and finnished 10th outright ,if they had been entered in 4wd showroom class their time would have won that class as well beating stock wrx/sti,s and evos
    Col
    If you look at the completion times, the MPS was miles off the AWD class......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wardski View Post
    If you look at the completion times, the MPS was miles off the AWD class......
    MPS,S were quicker over all than all SHOWROOM 4 cylinder AWD CLASS cars in 2008 Targa TASMANIA .
    Perhaps you are getting confused with the open class that allows for cars to be modified .
    Also Jake Cammalleri in the GRAND PRIX RACING MPS in PRODUCTION RACING is a clear class winner often keeping cars two and three times the price of the MPS honest ,if not at least gives them a hard time .
    Sorry Wardski i am one eyed mps they are a brilliant fun car for the money,with $10k,s worth of mod,s that includes wider rims and high performance tyres your sti will eat my dust or as the number plate states YOU LOSE
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOU LOSE View Post
    MPS,S were quicker over all than all SHOWROOM 4 cylinder AWD CLASS cars in 2008 Targa TASMANIA .
    Perhaps you are getting confused with the open class that allows for cars to be modified .
    Also Jake Cammalleri in the GRAND PRIX RACING MPS in PRODUCTION RACING is a clear class winner often keeping cars two and three times the price of the MPS honest ,if not at least gives them a hard time .
    Sorry Wardski i am one eyed mps they are a brilliant fun car for the money,with $10k,s worth of mod,s that includes wider rims and high performance tyres your sti will eat my dust or as the number plate states YOU LOSE
    Col
    with these 10K worth of mods, what ET have you run?

    Its the only way you can claim that you will leave an sti in the dust. Ive spent more than this (included an LSD for the xr5) and i can tell you i cant drive my xr5 vs my mates sti nearly as fast around bends as i can with my xr5.Its simple physics. AWD reigns.

    I still have done anything to the turbo which makes me wonder if its all been worth it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOU LOSE View Post
    Rain ,hail or shine ill take on a wrx anytime ,if you can drive they will not out perform an mps .
    The MPS3 is a great car on many levels, but a MPS3 and WRX both completely stock using the same (competent) driver, it's a little hard to believe a MPS3 would outperform a WRX in rain and or hail.




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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifuge View Post
    The MPS3 is a great car on many levels, but a MPS3 and WRX both completely stock using the same (competent) driver, it's a little hard to believe a MPS3 would outperform a WRX in rain and or hail.
    the number plate would be better served on a veyron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOU LOSE View Post
    with $10k,s worth of mod,s that includes wider rims and high performance tyres your sti will eat my dust or as the number plate states YOU LOSE
    Col
    ROFlmao I'll give you a run for your $$ anytime mate.

    PS, I had an 07 MPS with 8k of premium mods (TBE, CAI, Xede, 225/40/18s). It was good, it was quick - in 3rd gear & beyond, but 1st & 2nd gears had me totally disappointed, not to mention the torque steer was pretty bad.

    Compared to my old MPS tho, my 09 STi with the Hitech TBE is totally insane - and thats without a stage 2 tune!

    Me loose? Me dont think so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wardski View Post
    ROFlmao I'll give you a run for your $$ anytime mate.

    PS, I had an 07 MPS with 8k of premium mods (TBE, CAI, Xede, 225/40/18s). It was good, it was quick - in 3rd gear & beyond, but 1st & 2nd gears had me totally disappointed, not to mention the torque steer was pretty bad.

    Compared to my old MPS tho, my 09 STi with the Hitech TBE is totally insane - and thats without a stage 2 tune!

    Me loose? Me dont think so
    not real smart running an sti with out a tune i thought you were going to keep it standard who is going to do your tune any more than 18psi tick tick tick bang been there done that

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    Quote Originally Posted by 08mps View Post
    not real smart running an sti with out a tune i thought you were going to keep it standard who is going to do your tune any more than 18psi tick tick tick bang been there done that
    I was gonna keep it stock, but I found a solution that was right on. 08mps, you dont know much about this TBE.

    Hitech co-developed it with STi Australia. It doesnt require a tune, not even a CAI.

    Power increase is minimised (maybe 5-7kW), and a little more noise <86dB - which is what I wanted. The exhaust was also guaranteed acceptable by my STi Dealer

    I had it ceramic coated too, which keeps the heat down in the engine bay by >60%

    The car already drove "insane" before the TBE BTW
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOU LOSE View Post
    MPS,S were quicker over all than all SHOWROOM 4 cylinder AWD CLASS cars in 2008 Targa TASMANIA .
    Perhaps you are getting confused with the open class that allows for cars to be modified .
    Also Jake Cammalleri in the GRAND PRIX RACING MPS in PRODUCTION RACING is a clear class winner often keeping cars two and three times the price of the MPS honest ,if not at least gives them a hard time .
    Sorry Wardski i am one eyed mps they are a brilliant fun car for the money,with $10k,s worth of mod,s that includes wider rims and high performance tyres your sti will eat my dust or as the number plate states YOU LOSE
    Col
    Add 10k to the STI at the same time and your pipe dream gets flushed!! I'd have the STI over the MPS anyday of the week.. Saying you'll spend $X in mods to smoke another class of car is a pointless debate.

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