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    Hi everyone. Tried doing a bit of a search but couldn't really come up with anything close to what I wanna know. Basically doing a lot of research on choosing my next car. A mate of mine suggested the mazda 6 mps but im kinda leaning towards the 3 just because the engine is the same and weighs a good 200kgs less and you don't lose as much power because of the AWD. I just wanted to know what makes the mazda 3 mps so good? Because the cars im looking atm is a 410HP VY SS, 05-07 WRX or the mazda (was considering buying a 350z and doing the supercharger or turbo kit but figure it might be cheaper to buy a car that already has forced induction). I currently drive a Nissan stagea so im more prone to nissans and the potential power of rb engines and being the cheapest to get good power out of. So some questions to be answered please Is the LSD good? I remember my old sss pulsar had stupid amounts of torque steer and that was at 110kw lol im also wanting to do big power down the track so how much torque steer would you get in say 250+ front wheel kw? The other question is tuners + parts. I assume people are purchasing bolt on gear through Australian suppliers and US ones if they are cheap enough, but how many actual tuners in Perth are there that can work on these cars? Read on another post something like 2 places do it atm and Mao @ Evo R is contemplating doing tunes ? (which would work out perfectly coz hes my tuner atm). Is there even bolt on parts for the mazda 3s in Perth? coz on this site a lot of the tuners and businesses are over east (Perth is so lame sometimes lol). How much coin would actually need to be spent to get stupid power i.e.300 front wheel kw lol is that even possible or is the technology not quite there yet? i.e. I was contemplating getting something like a s15 200sx just because ive always loved the car and you can get stupid power for like 5-10k but feel like 2002 is getting too old and looking at cars around 2005 onwards and there's some pretty cheap 06 onwards mps 3s going in the 17-20k price range. What sort of power can stock internals of the mazda handle? i.e. I don't want to do forged bottom end or anything so wanna know whats the max power I could get without having to do that i.e. ill still do fuel pump, ecu, big turbo, injectors, forward facing plenum (if these exist), bigger throttle body, cams, exhaust, CAI and that's it probably but in a 200sx you could easily hit 250rwkw I think before stuff starts melting and rebuild is required and its another 200ish kgs lighter than the mazda and RWD lol And then in the end theres still a little voice saying stuff turbos coz so many little things can cause a problem (but im hoping because its a newer car and not one built in the 90s I would possibly have better luck in regards of things needing to be replaced I.e. ive spent 10k on my stagea and like 7 of that was for things just to return it back to stock working order :/ Anyways sorry about the long post and no paragraph spaces but for some reason when I press the enter key it wont put in a space and its bs also is there an accronyms page for newbies? coz ive never been on a forum that uses so many bloody accronyms for everything i.e DP (I assume dump pipe or down pipe), TMIC (Top mount intercooler?) CAI (Cold air intake) but wtf is SRI and TBI and theres a boat load of others that is making reading information on this forum damn hard :/ lol thanks for the help and hopefully someone out there can highlight the advantages and potentials of this car to help me make up my mind. Feel free to give ur opinions about the mazda 6 mps the only issues I see are that it weighs almost as much as my wagon and AWD and at that weight you need stupid power to go fast and the stupid commonwhores are so tempting esp 413 RWHP ones lol too many choices in the 17-20k range in pretty much any price range these days. Also I should mention that I will never take my car to the track so will be my weekend/daily driver depending on my mood and that I just want a car that chops heaps of stuff in a straight line I.e. I was thinking mx5 because apparently its one of the best handling cars out there, but in a straight line it will get chopped by everything so decided against that and if I get a turbo it needs to be able to beat v8s lol (therefore justifying the 'Jap pos' comments that always occur when driving imports lol) it just sux coz pretty sure for like 5-8k you can turn a ss into a 400+HP car which would chop everything in a straight line (I mean I don't do circuit racing so taking corners wouldn't be super important (maybe sometimes when going through roundabouts) but tbh I don't see why everyone bags out the ss for handling coz I think they still grip pretty good, just too much bodyroll at times which im sure could be sorted out with whiteline sway bars, etc). Thanks for any advise, cheers. Regards, Peter.

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    Welcome mate, really long thread lol
    SRI- short ram intake
    TIH or TIP- turbo inlet hose or pipe
    BT- big turbo
    Who will hear these a lot here.
    If you after performance n comfort I would say go for Mps 3 or mps6. I wanted to buy mps6 coz of awd but couldn't find one with less kms. I m making 200kws atw n I reckon it's more than enough n many of us have beaten v8s , wrx n evo.
    Heaps of member here with mps3 around 250kw atw.
    As far as torque steer you need to upgrade all your engine mounts to heavy duty one. Check out these website or email these ppl n they'll be more than happy to help you.
    Www.edgeautosports.com
    Www.cobbtuning.com
    But simple mod guide I followed was
    1. Cobb access port( already have maps preloaded on it for several mods)
    2. Sri with tip
    3. Hpfp fuel pump internals
    4. Down pipe


    Gudluck

    Edit: for the parts most of us get them from the states n I don't think if anyone makes them here.
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    Hi Peter

    My 2 cents: you cant go wrong with a 3mps or a 6mps. They are understated, sporty, look good and have somewhat of a sophisticated presence all at once. By no means am I biased to a particular brand but when considering other cars like an SS or a WRX in my opinion its a no brainer in this department. As an overall package (including performance) I'd go with an 3mps

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    Whoa, that's a big post!

    I think you have a lot of questions there, a lot which can be answered by previous posts. Have a look in the related sections of Tech Talk and Exhaust/Intake/Turbo's, specifically the stickies (up the top) and this thread which I'll start you on.

    A lot of your answers will fall in place as it's a fair bit to address at once and by reading the above, most of those questions will most likely be answered.

    As MPS owners I think most of us would agree we didn't buy this vehicle purely for it's straight line performance and nothing else. If that was the case we would have chosen a higher capacity and higher power output motor encased by a completely different manufacturer. The MPS as a whole package offered something other manufactures didn't interest me in at the time.

    Forget about the MPS3 vs MPS6 cause they're completely different cars so the comparisons are pointless. Get what suits you. If you pump enough cash and mods into either you'll make it a completely different car anyway. Basically it comes down to AWD (heavier) or FWD (lighter). That's arguably THE biggest difference in the two.

    As far as power goes, again depends on budget. I've seen MPS's completely annihilate V8's but to be honest, straight line performance is over rated in my opinion. I'd rather have a car I can drive with passion from A to B (quickly mind you) than 12 seconds of fun in a V8...

    As mentioned above I would check out the webistes mentioned. Make up a parts list for mods, like intake, exhaust, turbo, tune, intercooler and see how much $ that puts you at. To be honest an EVO will most likely be cheaper to modify but again, the MPS is more of a GT than just a simple racer. Most of us, myself included have transformed the MPS somewhat into a bit of a racer but I still like the fact I can appreciate my ride for what it is and use it as a comfortable daily.

    Have a read of the recommended and if you have more questions post them up a few at a time and we can help you out

    Hope that helps
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    That's the longest thread ever lol, the 6 mps is better than u think ,I have a bolted and tuned mps3 and my mate has a stock mps 6 and on a hard launch he smashes me to 60 and i dont catch him till 100,he has a thingy me jiggy witch measures 0-100 and he can do flat 6 sec but In gear I smash him.
    you can push about 250kw ATW on stoch engine but the most important thing is a good tune u don't want no ZZB going on.
    and the best thing is no cops look at these cars

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef View Post
    He has a thingy me jiggy witch measures 0-100 and he can do flat 6 sec but In gear I smash him.
    That's slow, I've seen 4.6 on the boys in the UK and Mal (Perth) got 4.8 to 100kmph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogwick View Post
    That's slow, I've seen 4.6 on the boys in the UK and Mal (Perth) got 4.8 to 100kmph.
    Don't think a stock mps 6 on street tyres would do it in 4.6 sec not even an fully bolted STI does it that quick he must be fully bolted and slicks to get 4.8, correct me if wrong. My mate did a 6000 launch to get 6 seconds

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    Nah not stock. I think stock might be possible to do high 5's though, but would have to be a fairly hard & high RPM launch.

    Don't think he has slicks but does have heavy mods and I think a BNR stage 3 turbo with supporting mods.

    The 4.8 by Mal was bolt on mods and I think at the time stock turbo too. Once he upgraded the turbo his time got slower....4 wheel spin! lol

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    Now I look back I wish I got a 6 mps over the 3 mps the the is a much moe balanced car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chef View Post
    Now I look back I wish I got a 6 mps over the 3 mps the the is a much moe balanced car.
    The 3 is a quicker rolling car though, on the other hand.........we can drift!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogwick View Post
    The 3 is a quicker rolling car though, on the other hand.........we can drift!
    1st hand experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogwick View Post
    Nah not stock. I think stock might be possible to do high 5's though, but would have to be a fairly hard & high RPM launch.
    I managed 5.5 with the BNR S1, though I did it with launch control set at 5k.
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    I have always been too paranoid of breaking something to do an angry launch in the 6, I take off so soft a granny in a walking frame could blow me to the weeds

    Once I get the car back working properly it is on my list of things to fix

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    Wow didnt expect replies so fast lol

    yeh I think I went a bit overboard with my post lol. Cheers for the help with info and links ..got a bit more reading to do I think haha

    We shall see what happens after a bit more research and a lot more thinking :/

    cheers for all the input peoples

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fizzy View Post
    I have always been too paranoid of breaking something to do an angry launch in the 6, I take off so soft a granny in a walking frame could blow me to the weeds

    Once I get the car back working properly it is on my list of things to fix
    With a turbo like yours, I'd sure hope so.


    But going back to the OP, I'm with @rogwick on this one. My reason for purchasing the 6 wasn't for its power or its ability to chop heaps of stuff in a straight line as you said but for its ability to balance out performance and comfort. It's primarily a GT car more than a flat out performance car like the Evo's and STI's so if its flat out performance I'd say go with one of the two mentioned or the SS that you mentioned in your OP.

    That said, the MPS most definitely has the capability of attaining great power as portrayed by @rayd who owns a 6 and is producing Dyno figures that can put most vehicles to shame. I'm sure he can attest to this, but the amount of work required to achieve these figures is quite hefty and I'm not sure on the total cost of these mods but I'm assuming them to be quite high too.

    Parts for the MPS are scarce in Australia as mentioned. We do have a distributor called MPS Garage though their name seems to be a bit of a taboo around here as a lot of members have had negative experiences with them in the past. Your best bet for parts would be in the mighty US of A and I'd suggest hitting up Edge Autosport for that (They're a sponsor here). Like @rogwick said, modding an EVO or STI will be cheaper as there's a lot of local support and there's a lot of workshops that specialize in those vehicles. You mentioned you came from Perth, I'm sure you know a few of those specialist workshops (Tokyo Motorsport, Evo R etc.).

    Looping back, I recommend rethinking what you want to do with the MPS. You can make it a straight line racer if you wish, but it was never designed as one.

    I'm not trying to deter you from purchasing one, I just don't want to see an exclusive vehicle such as the MPS turn into a Mitsubishi, Subaru or Nissan.
    Mazda6 MPS

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    I find torque steer less with 250kw than 200kw, the turbo upgrade slows down the instant hit of torque which reduces the torque steer... It's still there, just more controlled (hard to explain completely).

    (Stock turbo maxes out around 210-220atw)

    I beat on my gen 1 whenever I drive it... It's held up pretty well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarcasticOne View Post
    I find torque steer less with 250kw than 200kw, the turbo upgrade slows down the instant hit of torque which reduces the torque steer... It's still there, just more controlled (hard to explain completely).

    (Stock turbo maxes out around 210-220atw)

    I beat on my gen 1 whenever I drive it... It's held up pretty well...
    Man if torque stear is less with upgraded turbo I'm buying a new turbo , I have to hold onto the stearing wheel like my life depended on it.
    What turbo u packing.?
    just saw your sig
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarcasticOne View Post
    I find torque steer less with 250kw than 200kw, the turbo upgrade slows down the instant hit of torque which reduces the torque steer... It's still there, just more controlled (hard to explain completely).

    (Stock turbo maxes out around 210-220atw)

    I beat on my gen 1 whenever I drive it... It's held up pretty well...
    Just to add to this, it's similar in the MPS6. It's not the torque steer that's a problem but if you take an aggressive launch whilst turning everything goes well until you hit boost and the back end can kick out violently. I tried this on purpose pulling out in the middle of nowhere one weekend. Within a few meters I was practically 90 degrees to the road. Sometimes having a bigger turbo that spools slower or a tune that allows boost later on can help rectify this, on the other hand a GTX and aggressive tune can make it potentially worse

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    Newer is usually better and mazda MPS engines are better engines than SR and RB serious. However FWD will never feel as wild in the first gear as AWD. Engine is not only about power like SR and RB Nissans (but they were good for the time when they came out). Forget MX5 regarding cornering grip and straight line performance unless you put a fair bit of money in it. If you like Stagea but it is too old get second hand Passat R36. Far superior car without the draw backs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Harry View Post
    ... Check out these website or email these ppl n they'll be more than happy to help you.
    Www.edgeautosports.com
    Www.cobbtuning.com
    But simple mod guide I followed was ....

    when i saw the first link *jokes*

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