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    Seems 99% people here think there is no difference in quality of fuel here versus quality of fuel in America. There are many articles about our inferior fuel in comparison. I will gradually link in reports of this. In my time building big V8's and speaking with engine builders of pro race applications , the common issue they had when importing US built engines was they were getting no where near the power they were getting in the States because of their fuel type (comparison to 98oct), and always needed to de-tune US engines as our 98 just could not make the power their pump fuel could.

    Many of us beleive that just because our fuels may have the same octane readings when tested, must mean they will perform the same, wrong. The US buy a much cleaner, purer fuel than what the Australian government purchases. Australia opts for a resin pumped fuel to increase octane, which decreases purity and strength. This is not done in the States however. Over the next few coming days I will put together proof and links to this thread which will give a more outlined and detailed report to this. Talk to any pro engine builder in this country and they will all tell you this is true. I for one have asked so many as I was sceptical on this being true.


    From top bike engine builder in NSW.
    "Mostly they just tip oxygenated race gas into them and go. The guys that were doing heads were just machining current CR250 head profiles into the stock head. This requires building up the squish land with MIG but the head dome has sufficient meat to cut the hemisphere. This is on 250s, mostly they leave 300s alone, who needs more grunt from a 300? Their fuel is so good the bikes run fine, even stock CR250s run well on US gas, they run horribly on our fuel." __________________
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    "98 burns slower than 95 and therefore requires more spark advance, a factor in decreasing top end power. It's MON that turns on a motor, our fuels have high RON values because they are very dense. The oil companies then load them up with burn rate enhacers so that the chassis computers don't have to wind in heaps of spark advance at high rpms. I dont have access to a varicomp test motor any more so I cant conduct a MON test.'

    There are only two base load refineries in Sydney, Caltex at Kurnell and Shell at Rosehill, they then sell base product to the others who cook up their own additives etc.
    Shell premium is the strongest on the dyno but BPs 95 works fine at the track, I only ever use Shell on the dyno so as to cut the variables as much as possible (even stale fuel will drop HP).
    Optimax is the only one that 2Ts seem to dislike, it's supposed to be 780g/l but I've tested it above 800. Fuel mixes are serious secrets, there's no way the chemists will tell you much. It's so much better in the states where fuel is sold by MON rating.

    In the old days everyone knew lead (tetraethyl lead) was the octane improver and the blends were virtually identical irrespective of supplier. These days they are very secretive about what they put in as additives. I know that the manufacturers use sulfur and manganese based organics in some fuels but thats about all I've been able to find. I'm sure there are many other additives being used.

    91(MON) fuel equates to 100(RON) or 95(PON)

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    Great write up PremHK! Hard to argue with logic

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    Default US vs AUS fuel

    Well done Alex great write up


    Mazedit coming soon

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    @Wardski, this is right up your ally!

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    PS- i personally worked in oil and gas industry for over 3 years and it was general knowledge amongst the industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeldarb View Post
    @Wardski, this is right up your ally!

    Sent from my Huge Samsung Note 2
    curious to hear his thoughts as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by PremHK View Post
    "98 burns slower than 95 and therefore requires more spark advance, a factor in decreasing top end power.'
    um... that seems quite wrong to me... more spark advance = more power (to a point... once you go past MBT it either flat lines or goes down...) but as a general rule, 1 degree of timing at 6500rpm, you get about 10-15whp
    if your fuel ignites too easily, you get detonation which will cause you to destroy your engine...

    E85 (at least in our engine) stops this detonation occurring, and allows you to run more spark advance/ignition timing, and thus make substantially more power
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    Im worried about using Ethanol based fuels like E10
    I ran it in my car for 4months and my injectors were clogged and messy

    Is this the same for E85?


    Peter "SLIXX"

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    E85 Discussion - HPFP lubrication and Flow issues - Mazdaspeed Forums if you're really keen
    basically, as long as you dont exceed a 50-50 mix, you can run it all day long

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    Closing this thread.

    It seems a tad misleading after you have a read;
    Octane rating - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If @Wardski has something to add I will re-open.


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