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    Default Tuner Questions

    Hi All,

    I am looking at purchasing either a cobb AP or a Hypertech for my stock MPS6.

    After reading through a few threads i thought i would ask some questions to those hwo have more experience with these tuners or that have one installed.

    - Hypertech owners seem to talk about how the boost restriction removal makes a huge difference in the first 2 gears. Does anyone know if the AP off the shelf tunes also offfer this?

    - What are the main advantages of each tuner over the other? is one better suited to particular applications

    - I see lots of claims of fuel economy improvements. can anyone confirm what kind of improvements I can realistically expect with a stock MPS6

    Any advice is appreciated.

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    I had a COBB so I can explain from that perspective

    - COBB removes restrictions per gear in all it's maps. It also offers launch control and flat foot shifting (among many features)

    - COBB tuning can be done by our local forum tuner RAYD or via the COBB OTS Selection. I am unsure of HYPERTECH tuning options.

    - Fuel economy was vastly improved for me with a OTS tune and even more so when RAYD tuned my car. Some cars respond to OTS maps better then others however.

    Any further questions have a quick read through this first:
    Cobb Access Port FAQ

    Or search "COBB vs HYPERTECH" and you will get plenty of threads.
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    Hyper tech - > intake only, once you touch the exhaust it starts to go funny...
    Cobb AP -> has basic OTS maps for many different mod levels, but also allows custom tunes...
    My personal preference is for stratified

    Depends how much you're going to mod...

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    I wouldn't touch hypertech with a 10 foot pole. They are old tech.

    AP is better in absolutely every possible way. Definitely worth the extra money.

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    AP also allows you to log parameters and monitor parameters (such as boost, fuel trims, fuel pressure, etc.) on the fly.

    If you're adventurous you can even modify a tune using the supplied Cobb AP software (Access Tuner Race -ATR)

    Hypertech is a set and forget tune. I love my AP.

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    Wow that was quick and some very useful responses.
    Appreciate the advice / feedback.

    DAN, when you say you had vast improvements in economy, do you have any figures? (or indicative improvements for hwy/combined/city)

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    was wondering the same as Discodave nice info..

    cobb v2 whats the price on it? is v3 alot better or wat

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    i believe v3 allows for better data logging (faster), and monitors/displays 6 engine parameters at once (compared to 1 with v2).

    It also looks nicer, much bigger screen compared to v2

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    @Reedy: Hypertech has its place and despite being old tech - I think it can be good for those who just would like to have an aftermarket intake and take the throttle restriction off. Saying things like "would not touch it with a 10 foot pole" is seriously not putting the HT in perspective. I have the AP v3 now and can say unless you want to do a lot more mods than the above, the hypertech is more than sufficient than splashing the extra cash for the AP. It would make more sense if you get the HT as a second hand unit as they are going cheap.

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    Yea to a point, but we have seen some retarded dyno results with HT tunes in the past. They might remove boost restrictions and sharpen throttle response, that makes the car seem faster but a lot of those ones have been shown to produce less power than before once they are put on a dyno.

    It's enough doubt to make me distrust them entirely.

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    There is also versatuner, it's pc based and offers ots tunes aswell as shared tunes from others in a data base. Pretty powerful tuning software and data logging, downside is you need pc in the car if you want to view live data and log.

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    Are you in melbourne? I have a modified mps6, with a cobb ap, and can show you some stuff you can do. Also @Rayd is going to use it to tune the car properly soon. I'm getting around 9.3 with a stage 1 OTS map.

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    The question should be, what are you trying to achieve and how far do you want to go. After that it's all relative right?

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    Also didn't look to see what model MPS you have, the Hypertech tunes for Gen 2 mainly just remove boost restrictions and not much else cause of the nervous fuel pump some gen 2s have
    AP all the way you can log then post it and get free advice when the car feels like it is having an issue etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wsDKII View Post
    Are you in melbourne? I have a modified mps6, with a cobb ap, and can show you some stuff you can do. Also @Rayd is going to use it to tune the car properly soon. I'm getting around 9.3 with a stage 1 OTS map.

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    Oh I am in Melbourne. I would definitely be keen to see it first hand. 9.3, that's excellent! I'm currently getting about 12ish in mostly city driving (98ron).

    To answer all your questions, hard to say what I plan on doing, don't think I will be doing major mods but would like to keep the door open. At the moment short term plan is for intake and tune and possibly a catback just for sound.

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    I think the AP is the best choice for either case, for the extra couple hundred you get full security that no matter what mods you add the car down the track, the car is fully tuneable to suit.

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    What @Rayd said. PM me and we will see what we can do. Would be good to have another meet in melb soon too!

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    From my experience, neither HT or AP makes my fuel consumption any better. Still doing about the same.

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    I've had both and I regretted getting the hypertech once I read into the AP more, then the V3 came out... transactions followed

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    I had hypertech on the 6 for ages and it suited the purpose for 250 bucks.

    No economy improvement to be had either way. It only gets worse.

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    There is nothing wrong with HT so long as it's used as intended. On a stock car or just an intake it's fine.
    The only thing really wrong with it is that it seems to move all the power to the first 50% of the throttle.
    Around the city it's good, country driving with lots of overtaking like I do, it felt a bit strange that more throttle I gave, not much happened.

    The AP has the advantage of custom tunes and accepting more mods.
    But stock with HT vs stock with AP I think it comes down to how you like your throttle eel and how you like your power to be made.
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    Hi guys,

    just picked up my first mazda mps 3 which Iím very happy with mind you.
    so mine came with the Cobb access port but I have no ideas at all as to how it works is anyone able to help run me through it. Regards.

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    Hi and welcome - the Cobb AP is pretty straightforward. It works by communicating over your vehicles OBD2 port and is capable of flashing a new tune to your vehicle. The process is basically a firmware update similar to firmware updates you might apply to any piece of tech equipment - printers, laptops, and so on.

    With regards tuning the vehicle with it - you can either use off the shelf (OTS) tunes which are generic tunes or you can have the vehicle custom tuned by a flash tuner. As you got the vehicle with the cobb AP, you may find you have a custom tune already.

    There are minimum requirements for OTS tunes, and you can check these through the cobb website. I think the device itself will also display the requirements when you are performing a flash. It's important not to put a higher grade tune on than your vehicle can support, or you could do damage with the tune. A high pressure fuel pump upgrade is the main thing I am thinking of here. Stage 2 and higher tunes must have a HPFP pump for example.

    Whether you flash it or not it can be used as a engine management instrumentation tool displaying metrics such as manifold pressure, fuel pressure, temperature and so on.

    The support links at cobb should provide more details information, manuals and map (tune) downloads:
    https://www.cobbtuning.com/2007-mazda-mazda3-mps-wm-s/
    https://www.cobbtuning.com/2013-mazd...speed3-usdm-s/

    It is possible to get tuning software for DIY tuning - cobb will make you jump through some (paid) training hoops to obtain this.
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