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    Cool Torque steer !!!! What torque steer !!!

    I am allways being asked with that power in a fwd isn't the torque steer unbearable , even dangerous so that has promted me to start this thread , oh yes you are correct in saying there are other threads about torque steer the animal the motoring jurno's love to hate ,the vice the MPS is" infamous " for but this is not a thread about torque steering MPS'S but the lack of torque steer in my MPS MADAZ .

    MADAZ is a modded MPS with more power going to the front wheels than stock but it has 90% less torque steer than a standard MPS in the Dry & about 50% less in the wet .

    HOW CAN THIS BE YOU ASK ????
    COULD IT BE THAT YOU LOSE HAS LOST THE PLOT !!
    OR COULD IT BE HE IS FULL OF ????
    I WILL EXPLAIN BELOW !!!!










    MODAFICATIONS TO TEMPER TORQUE STEER IN MY MPS 3
    • RECALIBRATED FLYBY WIRE THROTTLE IN THE ECU .( FEEDS THE POWER TO THE WHEELS IN A MUCH MORE LINIER FASHION THROUGH THE REV RANGE )
    • 8"RIMS WITH YOKAHAMA S DRIVE TYRES ( IF YOUR TYRES TRAMLINE THEY WILL ALSO BE PRONE TO TORQUE STEER MORE THAN A TYRE THAT DOESN'T , SAME FOR WET ROADS IF YOUR TYRE HAS BELOW AVERAGE GRIP THEN IT WILL T/S MORE EASILY IN THE WET ).tyre technoligy has improved 10 fold over the last 10years , if you are a serious driver in a high performance car tyres like the S DRIVE with the nano technoligy, silicone rubber compounds , carbon fibre continous banding are almost as good in the wet & absolutely brilliant in the dry & take meters of braking distances in the wet or dry 'thier tread patterns have been designed to pump umungus amounts of water from the road minimising aquaplaning & allowing you to safely drive at higher speeds on wet roads , Yes they cost more than cheaper tyres ,but unless you drive like my grandmother you are selling yourself short .The only thing between you & the black stuff is the quality of the rubber you have chosen for your high performance MPS . I know I will be at odds with some but the price should never decide what tyre you buy for a MPS If you drive sensibly in the suburbs not doing burnouts ,wheel spinning around corners & traffic light drags lighting up the tyres these softer compound tyres should last 25 to 30 k or if you hoon every where you go they will be lucky to reach 10 to 15 k but that is not the tyres fault it is your fault !!! .If you don't get any wet weather where you live or you don't drive in wet conditions then the KU 36'S are a value for money buy very sticky on dry roads but in the wet they are less than average compared to tyres like S drive . Bottom line you only get what you pay for .My 245 rear S drives are only just now worn down to the wear indicators they have done 78 k . For the same 78 k I am on my 4 th set of 225 front tyres but of course I can,t rotate the fronts to the rear .
    • REAR ENGINE MOUNT CP-E 75 DURO . A MUST DO MOD IN MY OPINION !!
    • COIL OVER SUSPENTION WITH AJUSTABLE RIDE HIGHT LOWERED & NEGITIVE CAMBER TO FRONT WHEELS .FRONT SET FIRM REAR SET SOFT ( this made the biggest contribution to cutting down the t/s but all of the above work together in my experiance )
    • AFTERMARKET SWAY BARS FRONT & REAR SET FIRM F& R ( WHILS'T I DON'T THINK THE SWAR BARS ACTUALLY REDUCE T/S THEY ARE THE LAST MOD I DID & THEY ARE THE ICING ON THE CAKE SO TO SPEAK THEY SEEM TO TIE THE SUSPENTION TOGETHER WITH INCREDIBLE DRIVER FEED BACK & BRILLIANT GO KART HANDLING & TURN IN WHICH INSPIRERS CONFIDENCE AT ANY SPEED .
    • ABOVE ARE THE MODS IN THE PROGRESIVE ORDER THAT THEY WERE INSTALLED & EVALUATED
    • NOTE ....I RUN 245 X35 REARS 225 X 40 FRONTS @ 38 PSI ALL ROUND SO ROTATING TYRES FOR ME IS NOT AN OPTION ALSO THE RIDE QUALITY IS SUPRISINGLY GOOD ,NOT TEETH & BONE CHATTERING HARSH, IT IS FIRM BUT QUITE BEARABLE ,THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS .
    • NOTE IT IS ALSO ESSENTIAL THAT YOU HAVE A 4 WHEEL ALINMENT DONE BY SOME ONE REPUTABLE .
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    Nice work Col.
    I noticed lack of torque steer straight after I had my first tune.
    Since then I've stepped up to 8 inch wide wheels, 235 width tyres, CP-E rear mount, Adjustable Koni shocks with King Springs.

    80% less torque steer is easy to believe...

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    I'd second that, there is not as much torque steer in this car as to mine by a long shot. Once the folding stuff starts to come back in I will be following this procedure now that I've driven this car. I would take seconds and lots of them compared to my setup on my car which is NIL for track use. Your right Col I was driving it like a GoKart I was throwing it around like one that is,which is no way possible in my car and I glad I had the chance to drive it and do to it that I would never do to mine and the trust you had in me, not that I wanted to do it without your pushing, I couldn't put the trust in anyone in my car Col the way I drove it. Cheers O and I thank you for letting me know how far down it was on the gillies without and road barriers....... That slowed me down considering the rear wheels were slipping on the white double lines in the wet....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 240MPS View Post
    I'd second that, there is not as much torque steer in this car as to mine by a long shot. Once the folding stuff starts to come back in I will be following this procedure now that I've driven this car. I would take seconds and lots of them compared to my setup on my car which is NIL for track use. Your right Col I was driving it like a GoKart I was throwing it around like one that is,which is no way possible in my car and I glad I had the chance to drive it and do to it that I would never do to mine and the trust you had in me, not that I wanted to do it without your pushing, I couldn't put the trust in anyone in my car Col the way I drove it. Cheers O and I thank you for letting me know how far down it was on the gillies without and road barriers....... That slowed me down considering the rear wheels were slipping on the white double lines in the wet....
    And I thought you were just being a nice guy letting us pass!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 03blk View Post
    And I thought you were just being a nice guy letting us pass!
    I shit myself Tom, I hate heights and i started to shake, Col will tell you my legs were trembling on the go pedal and my arms were shaking and when I let you guys through I said to Col I hope nothing happens when you screamed pass, it looked pretty fast at the speed I was going at,at the time I can't believe there is no barriers to stop cars dropping to their death,Col was saying they probably lose a bike rider every week.....
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    Awesome post Col!


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    One thing to note regarding the tyres, I have the Kumho KU36. I had my dealer rotate my tyres and noticed instantly I started to torque steer and tramline. I changed the tyre pressures to what I normally to in 42front 38rear and the tramlining and torque steer much improved.

    Its a good way to see if torque steer will improve by trying to reduce tramlining as they seem to be related, in my experience anyway. Good place to start is by testing different pressures. You will end up with a balance between torque steer and traction
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    Quote Originally Posted by lup15 View Post
    One thing to note regarding the tyres, I have the Kumho KU36. I had my dealer rotate my tyres and noticed instantly I started to torque steer and tramline. I changed the tyre pressures to what I normally to in 42front 38rear and the tramlining and torque steer much improved.

    Its a good way to see if torque steer will improve by trying to reduce tramlining as they seem to be related, in my experience anyway. Good place to start is by testing different pressures. You will end up with a balance between torque steer and traction
    When you modify you suspension it will be a win / win less t/s more traction


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    Great info Col, you're da man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOU LOSE View Post
    When you modify you suspension it will be a win / win less t/s more traction


    Col
    Col, did you ever look into the anti-lift control-arm bushes that Troy (2XS) got from Fulcrum???

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