Acceleration gen 1 vs gen 2 mps

[mymps11]

Hey guys im just wanting your opinions on whos driven both, I drove a gen1 mps and the thing absolutely flew, one thing that really impressed me was bringing the up onto boost at 3000 revs then letting it surge too 4,500 then.next gear and do.the same. It gave u a decent.shove. However.when.i.drove a.gen.too it felt as tho the shove.wasnt as hard and just.dissapointing. Was it the gen 2 I.drove or can.they really feel so.diff? I cant decide.whether to buy a gen.1 or 2

[RedDjinn]

Its the power delivery. The gen2 standard vs standard (well the 2009 model 1401kgs) is quicker.. BUT the gen 1 felt faster thats for sure

[SMOKEY]

on paper - the specs are the same - both 190kw @5500rpm, 380nm @3300 rpm, 0-100 in 6.1sec

Only difference is weight Gen1 - 1403kg, Gen2 - 1435kg - but i doubt that difference would soften the blow much.

Knowing how easy it is to tune the maps for different results, i wouldnt be surprised if the engineers fiddled around with the powercurve - maybe fattened it up but smoothed it out on gen 2.

But they are different cars, no doubt. Anyone will confirm that the Gen 1 is a rawer experience, where as Gen 2 is more refined and less confronting.

It depends on what type of car you like when driving on your limit - Gen 1 sure hits hard! And then it depends on which you like the look of better - Gen 1 seems to hold it's value, where as it's a hop skip and a jump in price and you can be in a Gen 2, so the choice is yours!

[Brackaus]

From most reviews i've read, GEN 1 is quicker off the line than the GEN II, but the aerodynamics of the GEN II makes it reach the quarter mile quicker (don't say this to 2XS) .. they are very similar so either one will be ok.

[SMOKEY]

Yeah - cos really - who buys one of these things and keeps it stock? Throw a few bucks at either one and you won't know the stock car again.

[mymps11]

Yeh its a real shame really, I prefer the exterior of the gen 2, but the interior and power delivery of the gen 1.

[SMOKEY]

so buy gen 2 and get a tune - it will be an animal with some basic mods.

[mymps11]

What can u safely do to a gen 2 that wont 1 lean the engine out and 2 wont max out the fuel pump? Would it be safe to say a gen 2 even once modded still wouldnt be agressive in,the power delivery like the gen 1?

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I would be happy to put on bolt on mods if they wont lean the engine out or max out the fuel pump. But yeh not keen on playing russian roulette having it tuned. I dont trust tuners and dont want a destroyed engine, but I can see thats how people get good gains out of these by doing so

[RedDjinn]

MRT and TH are tuning gen2's with standard fuel pumps with 210+kw...

I hit 181 kwatw with Cpe DP, CPE TMIC, Cpe TIP and K&N pannel filter and airbox mod, denso plugs,

I did run a BNR S2 turbo at this time at 181kw but the stardard turbo had more power on standard tune. closer to 190kw with standard turbo and standard tune.. Tuned by TH im at 212kw and 410nm atw

[mymps11]

Geez hows she go mate? I see your up the hunter valley way, the gf lives up that way, suprised I havent seen you getting round. What if I brought the cobb ap? And just removed the limiters, that would liven it up yeh?

[RedDjinn]

Get the AP, basic map remove the limiters and see how you like it. If you want more power than look at mods

Go.......... lol nuts, if launched you can light up the first 3 gears (did i mension i need new tyres )

[SarcasticOne]

Gen 1 has shorter gears as well...

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[MPS190]

I've driven both.

Own the gen 2.

You Can tell you that the gen 1 is quicker to accelerate in around 70% of all situations over the gen 2. There are only a few instances where the gen 2's gearing gives it an advantage. But the gen 1 is a bit more feisty than gen 2 in most situations. I found gen 1 also tends to spin the wheels a lot easier too.

The sound both models make also differs. With the gen one having a more aggressive induction and turbo sound over the gen 2 which enjoys a deeper, bass-ier rumble from the exhaust.

But... The gen 2 really does handle a lot better than the gen 1. You can really tell gen one is a front drive car - you are almost always made aware of it every time you accelerate (not a bad thing), whereas gen two is more balanced.

Looks are subjective but I prefer the aggressive exterior of the gen 2 over the sleeper gen 1.

I also prefer the Interior of the gen 2 over gen 1. Better quality. Better design. Better equipped. But I can see why people may prefer gen 1 interior (particularly the sport model)

Of course, this is stock for stock and it's just my opinion.

[mymps11]

Mate id say u arespot on there, I never forget first drivimg a gen 2 threw some twisty corners, and I wasnt even pushing it hard, bit the feedback and the feel of the handling was just unreal I thought

[Speed3]

Off the mark, Gen 1 should win the day.

Top end, Gen 2. Better aero and better gearing for top end plus they rev out a tad better in the top end, not much though (mine tapers off 200rpm after a bloke I work with's Gen 1).

Example, Sport Auto mag (they get great times, and are the N-Ring specialists so I watch their data often)...

Gen1 MPS3
0-100 6.3
0-120 8.4
0-140 11.2
0-160 14.7
0-180 19.3

Gen2 MPS3
0-100 6.4
0-120 8.2
0-140 10.8
0-160 13.6
0-180 17.6

[RedDjinn]

Off the mark, Gen 1 should win the day.

Top end, Gen 2. Better aero and better gearing for top end plus they rev out a tad better in the top end, not much though (mine tapers off 200rpm after a bloke I work with's Gen 1).

Example, Sport Auto mag (they get great times, and are the N-Ring specialists so I watch their data often)...

Gen1 MPS3
0-100 6.3
0-120 8.4
0-140 11.2
0-160 14.7
0-180 19.3

Gen2 MPS3
0-100 6.4
0-120 8.2
0-140 10.8
0-160 13.6
0-180 17.6

2009 model weighs less than the 2010 50 kgs. this would prob pull it in line with the gen1 0-100?

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[slixx]

2009 model weighs less than the 2010 50 kgs. this would prob pull it in line with the gen1 0-100?

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Does anyone know why the weight less? I have a GenII 2009


Peter "SLIXX"

[MPS190]

^ this !

Kerb weight between models is something I would like definitive clarification on...

[SMOKEY]

that 0.1 of a second is not even worth discussing. They're the same cars performance wise up to legal speeds. Put a fat ass in a gen1 and you'll lose to the gen2 based on that. End of discussion.

I wish my gen1 had taller gearing though - first and second is ridiculous - in first you're revving the nuts off it and doing 20km/h. I want to smack the engineer in the head for that one.

Pick the car you like the look of most - the rest is much of a muchness i reckon.

[Speed3]

Its pretty obvious what's going on there. Its a typo by redbook.

Gen2 BL S1 Lux = 1456kg

Gen1 = 1403kg. They uploaded Gen1 stats for the 2009 Gen2 and correct for 2010, simple. lol